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take a pay cut to get a job when you are old?...that is you will take the pay of a fresh grad so that you can get the job...
http://www.straitstimes.com.sg/singapore/story/0,1870,70961,00.html? 
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Well, I will... Cause to me I think we can slowly climb back to top position if we work hard... Fresh grad may have a better cert but in job we all believe that is the work attitude and the experience that count... I seen this when I am working... If attitude is wrong then you can't go anyway...
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Originally posted by Karembeu:
Well, I will... Cause to me I think we can slowly climb back to top position if we work hard... Fresh grad may have a better cert but in job we all believe that is the work attitude and the experience that count... I seen this when I am working... If attitude is wrong then you can't go anyway...
 ...true to a certain extent...i am all for good work attitude... and you did mention that experience counts...but what if the experience is no longer relevant...society is now not so forgiving...
eg. you grad at 24 yr old...work for 10+ yrs...u r now 35 yr old...making abt 3-4 times more than fresh grad...ur skills are now no longer needed...u go for training on the new skills which you have no practical experience...now would you accept the fresh grad pay and do the fresh grad work...climb another 10+ yrs...when you are 45 yr old...maybe the new skills will no longer be needed...
...or would you be looking at more pay due to your experience which is no longer relevant...??
mind you...you have more financial committments when you are 35 yr old compared to a 24 yr old...
NOTE: personally, in my opinion, there is a way to prevent this from happening...i will post it later...i just want to see some other viewpoints...
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when you are talking bout experience, it also boils down to the fact whether the experience you gain is relevant or not.
for example, if i were in the sales line, and i have a wide contacts of people who did sales with me, in the even of a recession, i got retrenched cos i do not know how to use the excel sheet or some software for logistics well, then i got an edge over a fresh grad in the same field of work
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there is an opening for purchaser, then my past work experience will be useful.
but if you are refering to technical experience like those in Programming...then it is a whole new playing field.
for example, if i was trained in the old cobol platform, with 10 years of experience behind me, took a course in Java, i will be no where as nimble as someone who just grad from learning and doing projects for a year or two in JAVA
it all boils down to the type of work and the type of experience
on another hand, an employer is likely to employ a younger person cos of a few reasons :
-they have not fixed their mindset on a certain way of doing things
(as they say, old dogs take a longer time to learn a new trick)
-employing an older person and putting a younger excutive to take charge of him may cause conflict in interest
(old one don't like to be told off by the younger one, or the younger one may feel a obligation to show respect to the older one in terms of age and feel inhibited to ask the old one to do things)
that is why sometimes it is so unfair to say that older workers do not want to look for a job
my dad was a good example...if not for contacts that he made in the pass while working, he would not have gotten a job
(the fella was so impress with my dad's work, he recommended him to his present employer  )
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I think it's not so much on the employee side whether he / she upgrade to new skill or whatever. What I hate most are those from the HR side doing the interviewing.
- Some will call you up for interview even though you are much older (above 35) and expecting a much lower pay than the rest, just to find out why you do so and not having any intention to employ you.
- Some HR will just scan thru the age and put aside those of older age, regardless of skill level, qualification and experience or even salary expectation.
- Why do they do these? Simply to avoid questioning by the boss!
To those who are still young, age is still a main issue! When you are above 35yrs old, you will know!
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Originally posted by chrisyew:
- Some HR will just scan thru the age and put aside those of older age, regardless of skill level, qualification and experience or even salary expectation.
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isn't the opposite true too though? I've applied for jobs that I'm more than qualified for, but I get beaten out by older candidates simply due to my age.
there's a certain professional maturity that young men don't have, and there's a certain technological learning curve that older men can't handle. now this is an oversimplified stereotype of course, but doesn't it hold some truth?
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Originally posted by Pieter:
isn't the opposite true too though? I've applied for jobs that I'm more than qualified for, but I get beaten out by older candidates simply due to my age.
there's a certain professional maturity that young men don't have, and there's a certain technological learning curve that older men can't handle. now this is an oversimplified stereotype of course, but doesn't it hold some truth?
maybe different countries have different policy?
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It'll also depend on the company...
Experienced ppl are also expensive to hire 
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Originally posted by snowbell:
maybe different countries have different policy?
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