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ON SUNDAY, mother and daughter celebrated Mother's Day together.
Then, late on Monday night, Ms Annie Leong Wai Muen staggered towards their front door, screaming, and collapsed bleeding in the arms of her mother, Madam Tan Rui Ling.
Separated from her husband, Ms Leong leaves a daughter aged four.
Stabbed less than 50 m from their home, she died later in hospital.
Said a neighbour, a 28-year-old housewife who rushed out on hearing her screams: 'Annie was covered with so much blood you could not see where the wounds were. She was gasping and trying hard to breathe.'
Ms Leong, 30, an insurance agent, had separated from her husband about three years ago and moved into her mother's fourth-floor HDB flat in Hougang Street 91.
Her 33-year-old estranged husband was said to have worked as a Web designer, but is now unemployed.
Madam Tan, 59, said her daughter was a filial but quiet woman who kept her problems to herself.
She said that on Monday night, her daughter had taken her four-year-old daughter and gone to meet her husband at the void deck of the block.
She said in Mandarin: 'It was late and Annie was in her pyjamas and I asked her where she was going.
'She said her husband had asked her to go down to sign a document connected with their divorce.'
Madam Tan added that she was surprised because it was so late.
Then she heard the screams, opened the door and her daughter staggered towards her. As the injured woman slumped to the ground near the doorstep, Madam Tan caught her in her arms.
'Minutes later, Annie's husband appeared and said he heard the screams from downstairs and had rushed up. When he saw her, he asked her not to close her eyes and to try to stay awake,' she said.
A neighbour said that the couple's daughter had come upstairs with her father and was shocked and in tears.
Ms Leong died in Tan Tock Seng Hospital at about 1 am yesterday.
The neighbour who saw her covered in blood recalled tearfully: 'When I was ill sometime ago, Annie came to my flat to visit me and I remember telling her in a joking manner that I would die earlier than her.
'I never expected it would be the other way around, and so soon.'
Police are investigating the case as murder, and have appealed for anyone with information to call 435-0000.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/primenews/story/0,1870,44060-990050340,00.html
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'She said her husband had asked her to go down to sign a document connected with their divorce.'
'She said that on Monday night, her daughter had taken her four-year-old daughter and gone to meet her husband at the void deck of the block.'
'Then she heard the screams, opened the door and her daughter staggered towards her. As the injured woman slumped to the ground near the doorstep, Madam Tan caught her in her arms. '
'Husband appeared minutes later'
Link the words, and you have a suspect.
This message was edited by dq on 17 May 2001 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by dq:
Link the words, and you have a suspect.
suspect, yes...but guilty, not necessarily...singapore police are not so stupid...
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A neighbour said that the couple's daughter had come upstairs with her father and was shocked and in tears.
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She said that on Monday night, her daughter had taken her four-year-old daughter and gone to meet her husband at the void deck of the block.
interview the daughter without the presence of the father and the truth would come to light...
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u think it's the husband?
sounds suspicious too...but if it's the husband, won't the daughter have kept a distance frm him?
I read the article on The Electric NewPaper last night...
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Her grandma, Madam Chen, 49, a housewife said in Mandarin this morning: "Shortly after, my daughter (Annie) collapsed at the doorstep, Aralyn was brought upstairs by her father."
also...Mdm Leong could have juz said who stabbed her...instead of:
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At the doorstep, Madam Leong collapsed into her mother's arms. She was gasping and said: "Someone stabbed me. Quickly call the police."
but then, I'm worried for the 4-yr-old girl
muz have been a shock...and her response when asked where mummy is?
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"Mummy...mummy went to see the doctor...."
me add in the link to The Electric Newpaper here
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Originally posted by bwtoh:
interview the daughter without the presence of the father and the truth would come to light...
u're right
but let's say the father is really the murderer...the girl might be too shocked to answer anything
I think it's advisable to send her for some psychological treatment or something...muz be a truama to her
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Saddening. I was alarmed when I saw the news in Straits Times. The husband is proven to be very suspicious but I doubt its him. I might be wrong but it maybe coincidence.
Seems to me that murder cases in Singapore are increasing this year.
This message was edited by Snowyz on 17 May 2001 02:50 PM
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There is always the possibility that the husband might have hired someone else to do the deed. 
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Originally posted by jeff:
There is always the possibility that the husband might have hired someone else to do the deed.
hmz...but y would he?
afterall he's getting a divorce soon...and there's no report that the wife's been pestering him or what...
unless he's out to get the custody of the child?? 
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innocent until found guilty right? 
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Originally posted by Pieter:
innocent until found guilty right?
there is a 'feeling'/'sentiment'...tho' i am not sure...just heard some pple talking abt it...that in singapore...it is more like..
...guilty until proven innocent... ...
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dun tink its the husband
they're already getting divorced why should he want to kill her...
and in the presence of his child?
even if he's that bitter he won't do it in front of his child wat..
and the fact dat she said 'someone stabbed me' states that she dunno who the fella is...
think about it...if it was the husband she would have immediately said it. For one she is dying already even if she is still in love with her husband(which is unlikely since they'd been seperated for 3 yrs) if the husband try to kill her i think she will say one...
could be outside enemy or some psychotic fella...although i think its the former la...
the attack seemed veri deliberate and well calculated...
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read today's straits times...
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/primenews/story/0,1870,44275,00.html?
it's a hit job tho' the husband's words sound suspicious... ...
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Been mentioned that she was an insurance agent. Wonder if there is any policy taken by her client that a claim has been rejected and due to that, something might have.... I guess the police will spend time to go thru all her clients data base!
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ST said, "It is believed that she did not know the killer. Police are working on various leads, including the possibility that the man could have been a hired killer."
Police had issued a separate news release charging that the above report was inaccurate. 
why not let the police complete their investigation ? For those who feel that SG is a place where "guilty until proven innocent", don't u think that by commenting on the suspicion of the husband, u have inadvertently contribute to such 'un-healthy' mentality of condemning a person prior to judgement? would u like to be treated in that way if u r innocent but unfortunate enough to land in such hotspot?
do be considerate.....
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Originally posted by Computer:
For those who feel that SG is a place where "guilty until proven innocent", don't u think that by commenting on the suspicion of the husband, u have inadvertently contribute to such 'un-healthy' mentality of condemning a person prior to judgement? would u like to be treated in that way if u r innocent but unfortunate enough to land in such hotspot?
do be considerate.....
nope...i feel everyone has a right to their own opinions...it is the law that should be considerate...
no matter whether i am in the situation or not...i cannot control pple's opinions...they have a right to be suspicious...but this does not give the right for the law to treat the suspect as guilty until proven innocent...
when i mentioned that ppl who feel that SG is a place where "guilty until proven innocent", i am talking abt the law and not abt the common pple...
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Originally posted by bwtoh:
nope...i feel everyone has a right to their own opinions...it is the law that should be considerate...
no matter whether i am in the situation or not...i cannot control pple's opinions...they have a right to be suspicious...but this does not give the right for the law to treat the suspect as guilty until proven innocent...
when i mentioned that ppl who feel that SG is a place where "guilty until proven innocent", i am talking abt the law and not abt the common pple...
since when did SG law require one to be "guilty until proven innocent" ?
For criminal case, the prosecution is required to prove the case to the judge(s) beyong all reasonable doubts in order to ascertain that the accused is guilty successfully, not the other way round.
This message was edited by Computer on 19 May 2001 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Computer:
since when did SG law require one to be "guilty until proven innocent" ?
For criminal case, the prosecution is required to prove the case to the judge(s) beyong all reasonable doubts in order to ascertain that the accused is guilty successfully, not the other way round.
eh.. ...my post mentioned that pple feel that...and not know that...
possible reasons: if u r only a suspect, they handcuff u first (even if u show no signs of resistance or even unarmed) and then most criminal cases require the defence to prove that they are innocent first and not the prosecution to prove that they are guilty first...
basically, the law in most countries is the same...u have to prove the facts...it's just how u look at it...from the defence point of view or prosecution point of view...
eg...in countries where they go by innocent until proven guilty is where the accused is treated as not a criminal until it is proven otherwise...
...in countries where they go by guilty until proven innocent, there still needs proof to prove they are guilty but instead, the initial treatment by the law is where it differs...here, the accused is treated as a criminal until he/she can prove that they are innoncent...
This message was edited by bwtoh on 19 May 2001 09:46 AM
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Hougang murder latest
Husband and a 15 year old student arrested..
Student charged with murder while husband charged with abetment murder..
If convicted, both faced the death penalty
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possible reasons: if u r only a suspect, they handcuff u first (even if u show no signs of resistance or even unarmed) and then most criminal cases require the defence to prove that they are innocent first and not the prosecution to prove that they are guilty first...
basically, the law in most countries is the same...u have to prove the facts...it's just how u look at it...from the defence point of view or prosecution point of view...
the onus is on the prosecution to establish the case to convince the court that the accused is guilty. There are instances in SG court where the judges throw out the prosecutors' cases out due to inadequacy of evidence as viewed by the judges.
ask your lawyer friends whether SG is practising "guilty unless proven innocent" for criminal cases
...in countries where they go by guilty until proven innocent, there still needs proof to prove they are guilty but instead, the initial treatment by the law is where it differs...here, the accused is treated as a criminal until he/she can prove that they are innoncent...
before judgement r passed down, the accussed are treated as suspect and not criminal
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Originally posted by toobi:
Hougang murder latest
Husband and a 15 year old student arrested..
Student charged with murder while husband charged with abetment murder..
If convicted, both faced the death penalty
from ST:
"Husband, teen charged with woman's murder
A 15-YEAR-OLD schoolboy was charged this morning with the murder of insurance agent Madam Annie Leong, 30. Her husband, Anthony Ler Wee Teang, 33 was also charged in connection with the murder.
A week's custody was sought to facilitate investigations. Both offences carry the death penalty.
Police said that Ler was interviewed at length after his wife's murder, but he deined committing the offence.
She was attacked on the 4th floor of Block 923, Hougang Avenue 9 while on the way back to her flat after meeting her husband at the void deck of the block on May 14, at about 11.40 pm.
She died in hospital as a result of stab wounds to her chest.
No weapons were recovered from the scene. The deceased and her husband had been separated for three years.
Although there were few leads, officers from the Special Investigation Section of the Criminal Investigation Department worked tirelessly to establish the identity of the culprits, police said this morning.
Their perseverance paid off when they identified a 15-year-old male Chinese student as the assailant through extensive ground enquiries and interviews of witnesses.
Earlier in the week, Ler had said in an interview that people blamed him for the crime because he caused his wife to leave him as a result of his adulterous ways.
He had said: 'I admit, I fouled up our marriage...I committed adultery. And I know that people see me as the prime suspect.
'But I do not care about that right now.' "
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