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Brain Hack?
Reminds me of Ghost in the Shell... Anyone seen that?
I think nanotechnology will gives more hope to living longer than cloning.
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Actucally i think your right, having your eyes augmented would let blind people see, or in my case, not need glasses anymore so i could have 20/20 or greater vision
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Originally posted by KrazyKarl:
Human clonig will probably go the way of the nuclear bomb, have a hundered tests, make one real world use, and have generations of poeple fear it.
why? i don't see cloning killing millions of innocent men, women and children...
This message was edited by Morpheus on 14 Aug 2001 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Morpheus:
why? i don't see cloning killing millions of innocent men, women and children...
no one imagined the atomic bomb would have that much of an horrific effect not counting the deaths itself either.
There are too many unknowns in the cloning area. We do not know what a cloned human being would be like. And because its a thinking living thing, we cannot afford to make so much assumptions and pretend that everything will work out fine.
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Originally posted by [Hope]:
no one imagined the atomic bomb would have that much of an horrific effect not counting the deaths itself either.
There are too many unknowns in the cloning area. We do not know what a cloned human being would be like. And because its a thinking living thing, we cannot afford to make so much assumptions and pretend that everything will work out fine.
actually the bomb probably saved more lives that it killed. as soon as the two superpowers and their allies had the capability to blow eachother to kingdom come they became too scared to go to full scale war. that's why they only fought minor skirmishes in korea and vietnam, and never fully committed to the war. (for example, general mcarthur wanted to attack china during the korean war because they were helping the north koreans but the president was scared that that would bring russia into the war so he wouldn't allow it.)
you say there are too many unknowns in the cloning research. well how can we learn more if we can't research and experiment? and why do people label this biotechnology as evil? the positive possibilities far outweigh the negative. don't judge it on based on bad sci-fi movies alone.
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Originally posted by Pieter:
actually the bomb probably saved more lives that it killed. as soon as the two superpowers and their allies had the capability to blow eachother to kingdom come they became too scared to go to full scale war. that's why they only fought minor skirmishes in korea and vietnam, and never fully committed to the war. (for example, general mcarthur wanted to attack china during the korean war because they were helping the north koreans but the president was scared that that would bring russia into the war so he wouldn't allow it.)
you say there are too many unknowns in the cloning research. well how can we learn more if we can't research and experiment? and why do people label this biotechnology as evil? the positive possibilities far outweigh the negative. don't judge it on based on bad sci-fi movies alone.
yes the bomb did save more lives than it would have been if the war had continued. But because we know its effect, we all fear it to the point even though various countries have nuclear weapons, they do not treat it as a weapon that can be taken lightly.
As for the cloning issue, its a pandora's box (not sure if i spell it correctly). Research yes, cloning mostly anything but a human being would probably have no major possible bad outcomes, but if we do clone a human being out and the outcome was not what we expected, what are we going to do then? Kill that clone?
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of course not. if you had a child and it turned out not the way you expected, you wouldn't kill it either. as I said before, a clone will have all the same rights as any other person.
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Originally posted by Pieter:
you say there are too many unknowns in the cloning research. well how can we learn more if we can't research and experiment? and why do people label this biotechnology as evil? the positive possibilities far outweigh the negative. don't judge it on based on bad sci-fi movies alone.
Because we are human, there is a natural instinct against cloning humans, but we have no problom cloning animals.
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That is, if they are trying to clone a whole human.. I don't think they should..not right now with the current technology..
And if they do, in future, they should monitor the fetus's development very closely..
I think research should still goes to cloning human parts.. To save lives, and to forfill the human's natural hunger for knowledge..
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Originally posted by [Hope]:
yes the bomb did save more lives than it would have been if the war had continued. But because we know its effect, we all fear it to the point even though various countries have nuclear weapons, they do not treat it as a weapon that can be taken lightly.
As for the cloning issue, its a pandora's box (not sure if i spell it correctly). Research yes, cloning mostly anything but a human being would probably have no major possible bad outcomes, but if we do clone a human being out and the outcome was not what we expected, what are we going to do then? Kill that clone?
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I really wasnt saying that cloning is the same as the nuclear bomb, rather the human attitude twards it, poeple will say its horrible, so it will only be tested and never used commercially.
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When the technology is there, it can't be un-invented or un-discovered, it's a soon or later thing. U can just hope that the people who knows it, know what they're doing and have enought ethics, morals...
I remember seeing this episode (the last exam) of The Outer Limits where after a student discover how easily a cold fusion bomb can be made with easily avaliable items, he starts holding the whole state as hostage in return for the people he hates most!!
Imagine some blur ku-ku, with destructive technology that others have discovered, blow up themself and the country beside!!
I sure hope there isn't any research lab with ku-kus who don't understand what the others had discovered, but try to overtake the masters using all kind of "un-educated" trial and error experiments.
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aiyah, no matter how we argue it, there will always be some one out there with opinions against it. if the people who invented the technology manages to find enough financing to go ahead with the project in some secluded place, what can one do?
we can argue till the end of the world, and there will still not be any results from it
why not just relax a little and see what will happen? 
it is always like this,
"if shit doesn't happen, no one will know how smelly it is, BUT when it happens, there will be some one who know what to do to clean it up" --ah gong 
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Sigh.. Miss that show..
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Originally posted by theThinker:
When the technology is there, it can't be un-invented or un-discovered, it's a soon or later thing. U can just hope that the people who knows it, know what they're doing and have enought ethics, morals...
I remember seeing this episode (the last exam) of The Outer Limits where after a student discover how easily a cold fusion bomb can be made with easily avaliable items, he starts holding the whole state as hostage in return for the people he hates most!!
Imagine some blur ku-ku, with destructive technology that others have discovered, blow up themself and the country beside!!
I sure hope there isn't any research lab with ku-kus who don't understand what the others had discovered, but try to overtake the masters using all kind of "un-educated" trial and error experiments.
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Me still have it in vcd
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They already know how to clone humans, its just no one has yet, because of human issues. Its the same as cloning an animal. just take an egg cell and remove the nuclius (cus it only has 23 chromasomes) then take another cell from the body and use an electric current to fuse the two (a normal cell has 46 cromasomes). the other cells nuclius contains the mothers genetic material, so therefore you will have a clone. it then becomes a zygote, and then is implanted back where it came from and will be an identical clone (if nothing goes wrong)
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Originally posted by cabal:
They already know how to clone humans, its just no one has yet, because of human issues. Its the same as cloning an animal. just take an egg cell and remove the nuclius (cus it only has 23 chromasomes) then take another cell from the body and use an electric current to fuse the two (a normal cell has 46 cromasomes). the other cells nuclius contains the mothers genetic material, so therefore you will have a clone. it then becomes a zygote, and then is implanted back where it came from and will be an identical clone (if nothing goes wrong)
You still have to note that dolly the sheep (who was cloned) experianced rapid physical aging, and this was a side effect that was not anticipated, there will undoubtly be more issues
AS for cloning agaist god, until i see stone tablets that came off a mountin carried by a strage bearded man reading "thou shalt not clone thyne brethren", im gonna assume the big guy is cool with cloning
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Hey, cloning is not a big deal yet... They are just making a person with both the same face and character... And that person have to grow from young... It is still not like they can clone a person that can grow up immediately... So nothing really wrong also...
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Uhm..I'm not so sure about the character part... 
That is still not quite possible yet..
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Originally posted by Karembeu:
Hey, cloning is not a big deal yet... They are just making a person with both the same face and character... And that person have to grow from young... It is still not like they can clone a person that can grow up immediately... So nothing really wrong also...
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OOP but :
cloning parts would be cool, but can i survive an operation (to dump the new part into me) at age 100 ?
(i dunno if i want to live v.long, but just a thought for the future)
Split a thread :
How to upkeep / maintain your brain for maximum lifespan
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Originally posted by Rivendell:
OOP but :
cloning parts would be cool, but can i survive an operation (to dump the new part into me) at age 100 ?
(i dunno if i want to live v.long, but just a thought for the future)
Split a thread :
How to upkeep / maintain your brain for maximum lifespan
people will probubly be against that too
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