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someone here is stucked in a crowded bus, still thinking that singapore is not overcrowded as we still have empty spaces everywhere.
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Originally posted by evildq:
someone here is stucked in a crowded bus, still thinking that singapore is not overcrowded as we still have empty spaces everywhere.
posting from a crowded bus?
wah seh, long time no see you leh dq, welcome back! 
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Originally posted by evildq:
someone here is stucked in a crowded bus, still thinking that singapore is not overcrowded as we still have empty spaces everywhere.
that is a matter of timing... i don't get stuck in a crowded bus often. 
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Originally posted by evildq:
someone here is stucked in a crowded bus, still thinking that singapore is not overcrowded as we still have empty spaces everywhere.
Somehow, I think no one got your point...
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Originally posted by evilsaggi:
Somehow, I think no one got your point...
I got his point alright. He does not think that just because buses are crowded one should therefore say sg is crowded lor.
No? 
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Originally posted by Dragon:
I got his point alright. He does not think that just because buses are crowded one should therefore say sg is crowded lor.
No?
yep...something like that...
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Originally posted by Dragon:
I got his point alright. He does not think that just because buses are crowded one should therefore say sg is crowded lor.
No?
I don't think so, but that could just be my evil mind at work... why don't you ask him?
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Crowdedness is not measured by the number of flats or the number of cars that is built/rolled out a year.
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Another Point of View:
"Can I assume that Singapore/Orchard Road is not overcrowded because Orchard Road at 3am seems so unpopulated?"
Look at my SCV Cable Connection, it's super fast in the morning(3am) but it can reach 2.5KB/sec during Saturday Nights.
* edited for grammar mistakes
This message was edited by evildq on 04 Sep 2001 07:54 AM
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There's a difference between Overcrowded and Overpopulated.
Go check the Dictionary, if you must.
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Originally posted by evildq:
There's a difference between Overcrowded and Overpopulated.
Go check the Dictionary, if you must.
It looks like Singapore is more of the overpopulated side rather than overcrowded side liao.. sigh
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Dun think we can consider Singapore being overpopulated too....since the gahmen wants SG to have even more ppl.. 
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Originally posted by fusetrips:
It looks like Singapore is more of the overpopulated side rather than overcrowded side liao.. sigh
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Originally posted by evildq:
Go check the Dictionary, if you must.
oooohhhh! 
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"Crowded" is a subjective perception. What may appear crowded to one, may not be for another. So, there's really no point arguing whether sg is crowded or not. Sg is crowded to me, that's how I feel about it. It's my own subjective view, my feelings. And if someone thinks sg is not crowded, then to each his own. I won't try to change his mind. There's no right or wrong answer to this. And dictionaries can't help here either.
Sometimes I walked into a food court and I say it's crowded, but my wife doesn't think so. We both have our subjective "definitions" of "crowded", and no one is right or wrong here.
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Originally posted by Dragon:
"Crowded" is a subjective perception. What may appear crowded to one, may not be for another. So, there's really no point arguing whether sg is crowded or not. Sg is crowded to me, that's how I feel about it. It's my own subjective view, my feelings. And if someone thinks sg is not crowded, then to each his own. I won't try to change his mind. There's no right or wrong answer to this. And dictionaries can't help here either.
Sometimes I walked into a food court and I say it's crowded, but my wife doesn't think so. We both have our subjective "definitions" of "crowded", and no one is right or wrong here.
I beg to differ, sir. The dictionary definition given by mgruber was clear enough, tying in with your definition of what constitutes a crowded environment, without ever mentioning that one had to stretch out his arms without hitting someone else in order for a place to not be crowded.
Just teasing.
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Originally posted by evilsaggi:
I beg to differ, sir. The dictionary definition given by mgruber was clear enough, tying in with your definition of what constitutes a crowded environment, without ever mentioning that one had to stretch out his arms without hitting someone else in order for a place to not be crowded.
Just teasing.
Yes, sir, you can differ. Of course you can and usually you would.
And this is precisely my point. We do differ and this notwithstanding the fact that the dictionary has a definition for "crowded.
You see, for eg, the dict can define pain. But what is considered painful to each person is still subjective, because we have different thresholds for pain.
Similarly, the dict can define crowded. But we also have different "thresholds" for crowded. In fact, it's our "treshold for crowd discomfort" (much like threshold for pain). It's very personal, very subjective. And as such, really, different people standing in the same room of people may feel differently as to whether it's crowded or not, depending on their thresholds.
My point is this: we're talking about people's feelings here. Not about fact. And there is a big difference between facts and opinions:
Eg,
Fact - Singapore's population is X mil.
(This figure is undisputable at any given point in time.)
Opinion - Dragon's opinion is that sg is crowded.
(This is only Dragon's opinion. And he's entitled to it, just as others are to theirs. Perfectly alright.)
You still wish to differ, saggi? 
I suppose you would!
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Originally posted by Dragon:
Yes, sir, you can differ. Of course you can and usually you would.
As always.
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Originally posted by Dragon:
And this is precisely my point. We do differ and this notwithstanding the fact that the dictionary has a definition for "crowded.
You see, for eg, the dict can define pain. But what is considered painful to each person is still subjective, because we have different thresholds for pain.
While it is true that different people have different thresholds] for pain, I think that the majority of people will agree on what is painful, won't they? Some people cannot stand injections, while others go for tattoos. However, I think even people who have gotten tattoos (i.e. people with high thresholds for pain) would still agree that injections are painful. So you see, there is, I think, an objective definition for what acts are painful and what acts are not.
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Originally posted by Dragon:
Similarly, the dict can define crowded. But we also have different "thresholds" for crowded. In fact, it's our "treshold for crowd discomfort" (much like threshold for pain). It's very personal, very subjective. And as such, really, different people standing in the same room of people may feel differently as to whether it's crowded or not, depending on their thresholds.
Be that as it may, we must still have a common standard, or conversation would be meaningless, wouldn't you say? And that standard would, for most people, be the one given by the dictionary, such as the one given by mgruber, which in no way contradicts with your definition, and which in no way suggests that if one can stretch out his arms without hitting the next person all the time, one is not in a crowded place.
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Originally posted by Dragon:
My point is this: we're talking about people's feelings here. Not about fact. And there is a big difference between facts and opinions:
Eg,
Fact - Singapore's population is X mil.
(This figure is undisputable at any given point in time.)
Opinion - Dragon's opinion is that sg is crowded.
(This is only Dragon's opinion. And he's entitled to it, just as others are to theirs. Perfectly alright.)
Well, I agreed all along that Singapore is crowded, based on the definitions given by both you and mgruber, and not based on the observation that I would hit someone when I stretched my arms.
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Originally posted by Dragon:
You still wish to differ, saggi?
I suppose you would!
Well, it was never you, nor your opinions which I took exception to, as I hope I have made abundantly clear thus far. Are you speaking for that person in the absence of his response? If so, then perhaps you should change your stand so that it coincides with his?
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