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 saw this in the TODAY newspapers in this morning's edition
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Will there be a COBE?
I REFER to the recent series of advertisements in the local media by a government body that have catchy captions like "Doctor or Murderer?" with a picture of a child.
The simplistic assumption behind these ads is that the very parents who are unconcerned about their childrens's welfare would see such advertisements and some how be throughly insired to bring up their children to be respectable citizens in years to come.
So what's next? I would suggest a more effective and efficient way of wiping out muderers, thieves and robbers from our society instead of relying purly on advertisments by requiring a kind of "Certificate of Birth Entitlement"(COBE) before parents are allowed to have babies!
The COBE will ensure that parents must meet certain minimum requirements such as income level, educational level, occupations or even race and social background.
Only with COBE can children be legitimately born in Singapore and we could have all the lawyers and engineers we want.
But what if the government finally finds it efforts to be a complete failure as murders and robbies still take place in Singapore? What will they do next?
Will they consider implementing punitive measures such as caning "irresponsible" parents?
My even greater is, what if the particular advertising campaign proves to be a huge success? Will the government body be embolden to make the next move, with a picture of a child and the slogan "PAP or Opposition"?
Tong Ah San
though this letter in written in sarcasim, if the governing body really take the idea of COBE seriously  man, I will personally look for this fella and give him a good piece of my mind ( actually fist is better )
what an atrocious suggestion!!!
what do you think
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Frankly, that hypothetical idea of a COBE is very 00100
i truly hope that no sane mind will implement that at any time...
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lol we will know who are the mad pple when they support this idea. Meaning..if our govt. actually adopts the idea, i seriously have nothing to say but that our govt. has really gone mad.
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the very publication of the letter already show that some one is for the idea!
man, this fella must be living too good a life to actually see the whole picture
that is why ah gong is putting it up here, hoping that it will be archived for later retrievial, should such a thing actually occur, will look up this name and give him a good piece of my mind
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Originally posted by ahgong:
the very publication of the letter already show that some one is for the idea!
man, this fella must be living too good a life to actually see the whole picture
that is why ah gong is putting it up here, hoping that it will be archived for later retrievial, should such a thing actually occur, will look up this name and give him a good piece of my mind
i tot that ST article is meant to be a mockery ? 
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Originally posted by Computer:
i tot that ST article is meant to be a mockery ?
it is written in sacarsism...
but i was horrified to read it any how
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its taking it to the extreme
dont the author ever consider that ppl do change for the better over time? geez! 
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Originally posted by reverend:
its taking it to the extreme
dont the author ever consider that ppl do change for the better over time? geez!
exactly
and if some nut-case fella working in the relevant department can argue the case convincingly enough to get it implemented? that will be the day where it really becomes 'paper talk' in singapore
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The most stupid idea that can ever be conceived.
But looking at the sarcasm intoned in his message, the author seems to be challenging the integrity of the government, "making-money-while-you-can" so what will COBE be like?
Category 1
For parents of average income?
Cat 2
For parents of higer income?
Cat 3
For millionaire paretns?
Open Category
For any kind of parents who just wants to have kids.
Bidding will be like applying for COE?
Oh GAWD! I hope they won't even consider this to be a new way of generating more revenue!!
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Originally posted by Cookee:
The most stupid idea that can ever be conceived.
But looking at the sarcasm intoned in his message, the author seems to be challenging the integrity of the government, "making-money-while-you-can" so what will COBE be like?
Category 1
For parents of average income?
Cat 2
For parents of higer income?
Cat 3
For millionaire paretns?
Open Category
For any kind of parents who just wants to have kids.
Bidding will be like applying for COE?
Oh GAWD! I hope they won't even consider this to be a new way of generating more revenue!!
 dun be surprise.
you have seen 'the practice' even criminals can be argued till they are model citizens!
if some nut can actually argue it well enough and convince whoever it is to carry it out, dun be surprise
when it comes to making money, as long as the government says it is for the good of the people, it is for the good of the people 
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Originally posted by ahgong:
when it comes to making money, as long as the government says it is for the good of the people, it is for the good of the people
aye aye
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Originally posted by reverend:
its taking it to the extreme
dont the author ever consider that ppl do change for the better over time? geez!
do they really? 
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Originally posted by ahgong:
do they really?
u dont think so?
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Originally posted by reverend:
u dont think so?
people will change? not everyone does.
what the author is trying to say is this:
"govt! are you sure that will work? aren't you wasting precious tax-money by just putting up posters to tell parents that they need to be more active in their child's life? there are other measures to do so"
he is refering to the govt. they have always resort to using campaigns to tell people it is their own fault if their kids go awary
what have they actually done to prevent it from happening?
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Originally posted by ahgong:
people will change? not everyone does.
what the author is trying to say is this:
"govt! are you sure that will work? aren't you wasting precious tax-money by just putting up posters to tell parents that they need to be more active in their child's life? there are other measures to do so"
he is refering to the govt. they have always resort to using campaigns to tell people it is their own fault if their kids go awary
what have they actually done to prevent it from happening?
but seriously...when kids go from bad to worse...who r to be blame?
if not the parents the govt?
besides...wat can the govt actually do to prevent it from happening?
they can only make sure the parents do their best in the upbringing of their child 
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Originally posted by reverend:
but seriously...when kids go from bad to worse...who r to be blame?
if not the parents the govt?
besides...wat can the govt actually do to prevent it from happening?
they can only make sure the parents do their best in the upbringing of their child
but even with the best up bringing, if the child chooses to go down the bad road, that is also the parent's fault?
ah gong personally experienced this:
me mum's friend is a dedicated mother of three who runs a seamtress shop altering other people's clothes for a living
her elderest daughter alwyas go to hte shop after school to hang out, do her homework and have her meals before heading home
from the out look, notheing is wrong. the mum does her job to care for the daughter, makes sure she does her homework and makes sure she is never rude to anyone.(including me )
then one day, she got a call from the police that her daughter has been arrested for being involved in a gang fight.
after some investigation and a trial, the girl was sent to a girls home. the mum had no idea that her daughter is involved in gangs. in this case, the parent is at fault?
what i am trying to say is, not every child that turns bad is the result of poor up-bringing. kids, especially teenagers are given options and they get to choose. if they choose to ignore their parents, and believe that doing bad things is the way to go...parents' fault?
by mixing with the wrong company, the child picks up bad habits, become rebellious due to influence of the group, parents' fault?
just don't stereo-type all juvenile cases to be parents fault is what the author is saying 
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Ahhh..... families....
Even if say, either parents stop working to take care of their kids full-time, may or may not gurantee that their kids will not walk on the wrong path.
But with the kind of policies, do you think parents will have enough time to monitor what their kids are up to? no work means no money, and no money means no survival, no survival means elimination of the whole family. (It isn't different from the Imperial Courts of ancient China where the whole family gets eliminated for a mistake, and here, the mistake is As-Long-As-You-Don't-Work).
The good thing about it is that we won't have any lazy people trying to survive on the dole. But it does tells us that lower educated people would spend more time at work rather than to spend more time with their kids. Even people of higher education would be in the same dilema, except that they can hire a maid to take care of the kids, or for some, their parents would take care of the grandchildren.
Maids and aged parents - They can take care of the kids when the kids are in their pre-teens, easily, it is usually during the kid's growing up period that a bonding have to be formed, otherwise, they will grow up, bonding closer with their friends, good or bad, more than with their guardians.
There are some companies, and not all, having the benefits of "Child Care Leave" for some of their staff, the no. of days depends on the management, giving too much is no good, giving too little would force employees to consume their annual or to an extend, unpaid leave. What will you do when you've consumed all your annual leave? by default, u will take unpaid leave, FYI, some companies will pro-rate your bonus and increment when you start touching your unpaid leave.
Hey Computer, the civil sector gives how many days of child care leave for their employees?
Wouldn't it be better for the govt to encourage employers to provide child care leave? say maybe provide some small tax cuts or giving employers some special benefits? I still believe that taking that little time off to see your child in a special school functions will go a long way, not to mention the time you spend with your child, that small time for monitoring a child's activity will actually go a long way.
My 2 cents, so please don't SUE ME!
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